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I am so proud of my big boy. No more gate up in the living room to separate him from house and no more crate at night. He's growing up :)  He's 6 1/2 months now and doing so well with his behavior. He only torments the kitties a little bit.

 

I do have a question for other doodle owners.  Do you remember how much you were feeding your doods around 6 months? Early on Bogey's Vet said he was slightly under weight and I fed him what was recommended.  However I feel he may still be under weight just a tad.  I just upped his food to 2 cups in the morning dry food and 2 cups of dry in the evening.  Usually a little scooby snack sometime in between.  Is 4 cups a day too much?  I was giving him 3 cups a day prior to this.

 

Another question... Does your dood breath really fast and heavy all the time.. like he's sweating to death?  I feel like Bogey is never comfortable.  He always seems hot.  Is this a puppy thing he'll out grow or is this just a doodle thing because of their fur?

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Comment by Rose on January 20, 2013 at 8:24pm

Interesting tip "Dee & Indie" about the hair not growing back the same, I internet browsed a bit and found others making the same observation.  Some claiming that it grows back curlier.  Of course that's okay if it's the curlier look you're looking for.  I've just been told that the curlier hair is more work, though it is certainly cute. 

The greater concerns seems to be if the coat is cut too short, not so much if it simply cut moderately.   Though II do wonder if the curlier coat was not the result of the short hair cut, but was the coat that was due next to come in regardless.  Wish it was more of a science.  :)

Comment by BRENDA LANDERS on September 16, 2012 at 8:42pm

Hey I was wondering what type of dog food he eats.  Also my dood duke does breath hard sometimes.  He does not like to be too long in the sun , be is black.  Thats encouraging about how good he is doing my guy is 13 weeks and today  was lots of "off" and "leave it". 

Comment by Jan, Lily & Nessy on September 8, 2012 at 6:03am

Bogey's coat may be starting the change, although most report it as being bad at about 8 months...

The only advice I have is to get a comfortable (for you) medium tooth comb, and reward him with praise and occasional treats when you work on him. 

Perhaps set your goal to do just a little bit of him at a time, rather than trying to an all-over comb out. (I'll do tails and ears one evening, legs the next, etc...).

Have thinning shears handy to cut through any serious matts that won't easily come out with a comb. (Thinning shears can be bought at any beauty supply, as they are also used to thin and texture human hair.  I think I spent about $20 for a pair over 8 years ago, and they're still good.).   To use the thinning shears to cut a matt - cut the matt parallel to the dog's skin, then comb out the matt.  Make several cuts and attempts if it is a large matt (you'll know ;)  When in doubt, put your fingers between the dog's skin and the scissors, especially in sensitive or tight areas (behind the ears, armpits, etc).  The advantage to the thinning shears is they only cut half the hairs, leaving the rest intact.  Less obvious than straight shears, and much less painful for the dog than trying to comb out a stubborn matt. ;)

Comment by Pedro & Alessandra on September 8, 2012 at 2:40am

About the feeding, I don't remember specifically what we fed Pedro when he was cute Bogey's age, we pretty much followed the package suggestions and both the Vet and us have been happy with his weight consistently. He will be 5 years old in November and he eats 3-4 cups a day. In the summer, definitely less. And always treats in the morning when I leave for work and treats in the evening when we're home and he pretty much demands them by sitting next to the cabinet where I keep "the good ones" LOL! I'm afraid that I'm not counting calories or being too scientific about it but his weight has been steady between 72-75 pounds for the last 2-3 years and we're happy with that. He is tall and lean so we think he is fine.

As for the heavy breathing and panting, Pedro does that especially in the heat and when he gets all worked up about something. It takes him a while to cool down and many times all it takes is (brace yourself) a good burp (sorry, LOL!). When he was less than a year old, I noticed that and I panicked therefore took him to the vet who did all kinds of tests because according to me he was wheezing and I was afraid of a pulmonary issue, he had a full check up and everything was fine. But we're having a hot summer in Vancouver this year and he's definitely going through that. I just make sure that he has plenty of water, the low sodium chicken broth pup-sicles actually help a lot and just get him to slow down while you scratch his tummy... that works well too.

loving paws,

Alessandra and Pedro

Comment by Dee, Indie & Winstone on September 7, 2012 at 5:27pm

Dona, I hope adult fur is better too, all I use on her is a comb with rotating teeth. I get clumps of fluffy wool stuck to my carpets at the moment, along with pools of dried mud. Sadly for my hoover, Indie is a swamp dog & so it gets used every day!

Comment by Dona Wallerius on September 7, 2012 at 4:34pm

Yea Bogey has that boney poodle body... but it was the Vet that said he was only "slightly" under weight... and I guess with his growing I don't see him putting any weight on. All his fur makes it impossible to notice!  

Jan, thank you for all the details.  I have had Bogey to the groomers twice.  1st time not so much cut off, but just recently I took him again as his fur was getting harder to comb.  This time they took 1/2 off of original length.  He hasn't been very cooperative with me when I brush and comb him, so the grooming visits may be sooner then later.  I too had also heard from my Vet that they should not be shaved until they get their adult fur.  I'm guessing that is what he's getting now?  I know his fur seems less manageable and more knotty.  Will it get better?  Is adult easier to comb through then the puppy fur?  I hope so :(

Comment by Dee, Indie & Winstone on September 7, 2012 at 3:48pm

Indie has 1 & a 1/2 coffee mugs of dried food twice a day & is 55lbs, she is also quite boney but the vet is happy with her weight, she also has a Bonio after her walk & 2 milk bones at bedtime, I personally dont give her human food apart from what she steels! She too pants & gets hot & drinks gallons of water & likes to sleep at night on the bathroom floor which is one of the coolest places. I am loath to cut her fur as I have been told it never regrows the same & luckily for me she is very good at being groomed, and I also find it quite relaxing.

Comment by Jan, Lily & Nessy on September 7, 2012 at 5:04am

Correction:  meant 1/8 to 1/4 Cup per day when talking about increasing /decreasing amount fed. (Too large an increase at one time seems to cause diarrhea in some dogs / puppies).

Comment by Jan, Lily & Nessy on September 7, 2012 at 4:35am

The amount of food required depends a lot on the formula of the food.  Some dog foods are around 250 KCal / cup, others are 450 KCal / cup...  So what I feed (or fed my dogs at six months) is not really going to tell you how much to feed Bogey.

If Bogey is doing well on his food and just needs a little more, then increase it (as you have done). If he starts putting on more padding (fat ;) than he should, then reduce the amount a bit, and monitor his body condition.  At 6 1/2 months, he is still very much a growing puppy, so he will likely go through periods of packing on a bit of fat followed by a growth spurt where he seems too lean.  So don't be surprised by that too much.  His activity level and growing body are going to determine how much food he really needs.

Having said all that, there is a food calculator at: http://goldendoodles.com/care/food_calculator.htm that is based on a commonly used formula for determining caloric needs of a puppy or dog.   The numbers you get from this should be pretty consistent with the feeding chart on the dog food bag.

To use the calculator:

Select your dog/puppy's age group

Enter his/her weight (to the nearest pound or kg)

If you hit "Calculate!" at this point, it will display the Resting Energy Requirement (RER) and Maintenance Energy Requirement (MER) in KCal / day based on the age and weight of the dog/puppy.  For growing puppies, the MER is going to be a very close approximation of the number of calories (KCal) your pup needs in a day.  This is based on normal activity levels for an average dog/puppy.  (Working dogs, by contrast, require greater caloric intake than the average pet and the calculator would under estimate the dog's needs).  The only time one should feed the (lower) RER level of calories is when the adult dog is on a diet, and is never suitable for a puppy who is still growing.

You can also put in food information, such as the KCal / cup information from the bag of food, and the calculator will give you the corresponding number of cups of food needed per day for the RER and MER.  The input text is color coded to match the corresponding calculated results, the more information you put into the calculator the more it can tell you.  I added the green input fields to calculate the cost per day so that people who are considering changing foods can input the information about the various foods they're considering and be able to tell what the real cost is to feed the food.  (For instance, one food might be 250 KCal / cup and $30 for a 30 pound bag, another food might be 450 KCal/cup and $65 for a 30 pound bag. The second food might seem a lot more expensive, but is is higher in calories, so the cost to feed per day may actually be competitive).

Sorry for the dissertation, lol ;)

You are on the right track, if he seems to need more food, increase his serving by an 1/8 or 1/4 per day and see how it goes. ;)

As for comfort, my two are a lot less likely to be too warm after I shave them down to 1/8", than when they're carrying a 2-3" coat...   If you've not taken Bogey to the groomer yet, it is probably time to do so.  Find a groomer that understands the first session is more of a training session than a full blown grooming session (keeping the session positive for the puppy is much more important the resultant hair style).  The first few sessions will set the tone for a lifetime of grooming.  (The other thing to note is that in a few months or so, it is likely Bogey will start to "blow his puppy coat", and this is a period of time where a lot of matts occur in the coat, so grooming shorter will help keep him more comfortable.  I'm not advocating 1/8", that's just what I do at home, by the way, lol ;)

Hope this helps a bit.

Comment by Dianne and Dulcie on September 6, 2012 at 9:57pm

I though Dulcie was REALLY skinny when I first got her (could feel her spine, ribs and clearly her hip bones).  I have realized that she is just naturally tall and lean and her spine is always going to feel a little more bony than I'm comfortable with (kind of like a greyhound), but her ribs are nicely covered now and the hip bones aren't sticking out any longer.  I have just decreased her food to 1 cup dry with 1/4 cup wet in both A.M. and P.M., since her growth has slowed quite a bit and she has been spayed.  Of course she is only 31/32 lbs., so doesn't need as much and sometimes doesn't finish even the lesser amt.   Dulcie gets hot very easily and it takes a LONG time for her to cool down.  After a romp at the farm, she keeps panting all the way home (about 45 min.) with the A.C. going full blast and the vents turned on her.  Wetting her down decreases her cool down time by about half.  I let Dulcie sleep on our bed a couple of times this week instead of crating her, but she wants to sleep on top of my legs and I didn't get much sleep myself! It may have to be a couple of times a week treat for her instead of every night! 

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