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Luke has a problem that I don't know how to fix!

Seems like all I do is ask for help with Luke, and it seems like I need some advice one more time.  Let me say, beyond the puppy biting, barking and jumping, he is the best, most well-behaved and sweetest dog ever!

First, a little background.  I also have a very sweet teenage grandson that joined in the countdown for Luke coming and could hardly wait.  The first time he came down to meet him a couple weeks ago, he got down on the floor and played, but nothing out of the ordinary and nothing rough.  All of a sudden it was like a switch turned inside Luke and he started barking, running, biting, (NOT puppy nips), scratching and grabbing at anything he could reach.  He was no longer playing, but totally out of control and didn't even hear me trying to talk to him.  I finally got him into his crate and sat down next to him with the door open, talked to him softly and petted him gently, to try to settle him down.  His little heart was racing and he was breathing so rapidly, I really expected him to explode.  It took 3 or 4 hours before he was anywhere close to normal.  The next morning he appeared to be fine, but after not ever having more than a couple accidents in the house, he had no control of his bladder and didn't even realize he was going all over the carpet.  After that day, he was back to normal..

Andrew wanted to come back so I told him he could have no contact with Luke.  Ignore him as much as possible and stay away from him - no playing at all!  He didn't even touch him and within 30 minutes, Luke was in the same shape he was the first time.  It took just as long to bring him back and the next day, he had no control over his bladder.  Next day he was fine and still is. 

Like I have said before, I am trying so hard to socialize Luke, there have been a lot of people in and out of the house, but this has only happened the two times Andrew was there.  If anybody has any ideas, I would really appreciate some help!  Thanks...

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Comment by Barbara Holloway on October 1, 2012 at 12:39am

Thank you all!  Andrew will be relieved to know he did nothing wrong.  Now I have to get busy and get this done!

Comment by Lois - Izzi on September 30, 2012 at 10:12pm

@ twelve weeks and growing...  excellent infomation

Comment by Laurie, Nug & Puk on September 30, 2012 at 9:44pm
You might have your Grandson take Luke for walks when he comes over, that way Luke will view him as a pack member and in charge.
Comment by Jo Bill on September 30, 2012 at 8:59pm

Correction & addition:  I called your nephew your "grandson" ... sorry.  Also ... the training collar goes to 8.  We never go above 2.  Just so you all know.  :)

Comment by Jo Bill on September 30, 2012 at 8:56pm

Barbara, Jan & Lois were my "go-to's" when I had a problem with Gizmo as a puppy.  They give the BEST advice and helped me through soooooo many tearful events.  LOL


My grandchildren are much younger, but were very afraid of Gizmo because he was so wild with them.  He didn't see them often, and when he did ... OMG!  My situation was a little different than yours though.  Anyway, now he loves them and likes to play.  He still has to be supervised, but they enjoy him more now. 


Our son, 35 yrs old, comes over and Gizmo goes BALISTIC!!!!  He absolutely LOVES Chad.  What we do is leash him when we know someone is coming over - he goes crazy all over everybody.  Then, he has to sit beside me or lay down beside me.  After a while, they can approach him and pet him.  If he gets wiggly again, we make them wait until we can get him to sit again.  Sometimes this is quite a procedure.  Eventually, we let him off leash.  He still wiggles a lot, but is better about listening.


We also have a Field Training collar that we use.  It's set on 1 most of the time .... sometimes 2.  It also has a "beep" button that only gives a tone.  He responds very well to the collar.  Sometimes all we have to do it pick up the controller and he settles down.  Terry picked up his remote car starter the other day and Gizmo settled.  The funny part is .... he didn't even have the collar on.  He's not afraid of it, he just respects it.


Chad used to get on the floor and play with Gizmo.  Gizmo would get quite aggressive - never in an angry way, though.  We don't play or rough house on the floor with Gizmo anymore.  He just didn't know where the boundaries were.  He's still quite a bit puppy.


I agree that your nephew should not be banished from seeing Luke.  They need to get used to each other.  You might want to have your grandson come in, sit down and have a special treat for Luke.  Luke can only have it if he's being a good boy.  There are probably others who disagree with me, but if it works ................


Along the lines of the sensitive noses .... maybe your nephew had on some kind of strong cologne or aftershave.  Other thoughts:  does your newphew come bouncing in or clap his hands to encourage play?  That could trigger wild play, too.


One other suggestion (seems I'm full of them) ... maybe a puppy class where you AND your nephew takes Luke.  If your nephew can't go every time, maybe he can come once in a while.  Our puppy trainer encouraged us to bring family members.


Bottom line - Luke needs to learn the rules and he can only learn them from his people.  It may take a long time for him to get it (but I doubt that cuz Doods are so very smart!) or a long time for him to decide he wants to get it (Doods are also quite stubborn sometimes - Gizmo is a PRIME example of that!  LOL)


Luke will be fine and so will you all.  Just be patient and firm.  Keep us informed on how things are going.  We're all here for you!

Comment by Laurie, Jackson and Delilah on September 30, 2012 at 8:03pm

Hi, sorry Luke is having a problem.  I have a doodle, Jackson, who at Luke's age, was afraid of everything, including his own shadow (no kidding!!!!)!!  It sounds like he might be having some fears perhaps and those things can make no sense to us, whatsoever!!!!  I have 2 grandkids, Sam age 4 1/2 and Gregory who is 1 1/2 years old.  I have been working with Sam and Jackson together and when she walks through his space (I watch my gkids 3 days a week and keep everyone seperated unless supervised.  Jackson is just too big and all he wants to do is play, but he doesn't know his own strength!!) she takes a treat and if Jackson is nice on the completion of her walking through his space he gets the treat and they have started to develop a relationship.  I would start with baby steps with your grandson.  A good organic treat is a great ice-breaker for pups.  I'd have him take him on the leash perhaps, and walk him a little, and as he calms down let him treat him and tell him what a good boy he is.  Maybe if that is 2 steps, just sitting in the living room and letting him smell him and get used to his presence will help with a little reward. Slowly but surely he and your grandson will form a bond.  He needs to realize your grandson is higher on the social scale than he is.  Dogs are pack animals and you are his pack. Also socialize, socialize, socialize.  Do you have friends with other dogs that you could Luke over for a playdate?  Good luck and let us all know how you are doing!!

Comment by Barbara Holloway on September 30, 2012 at 6:51pm

Thanks, everybody, for the suggestions.  You made me feel better!!  I really hated to see Andrew banned from the house.  He was nearly in tears and apologized at least a dozen times for causing trouble.  I will try everything and it will somehow work itself out.  Guess I am not used to having a dog that is much smarter than I am and I need to change the way I think!!

Comment by Grace and Pemon The Gentle Giant on September 30, 2012 at 5:46pm

You know what Barbara, I was just thinking Jo Bill had problems with Gizmo and her Grand Children.  They were really afraid of Gizmo for a long time.  I'm sure you will hear from her eventually and fill you in.  Wishing you luck with your little problem (I know it is big to you) But this too shall pass.

Comment by Lois - Izzi on September 30, 2012 at 4:00pm

I've been keeping this subject in mind for awhile now and feel like I'd like to make another comment:

Please do not keep your nephew away from Luke.  Right now is a good time to establish Luke's attitude to anyone he meets.  Now is the time Luke is establishing forever behavior.  Jan is correct in her response also..  The scent of emotions to the dog is always present.  Somewhere down the line Luke will show the same behavior and not necessarily to a teen...  (all of us have heard an owner say, 'my dog does not like men' , or kids or other dogs etc. )    Nonsense...   Luke was showing insecurity to a new situation.  The continual behavior even after your nephew had left was/is Luke establishing territorial rights even as a puppy.   (he is reassuring himself, so to speak.)  The peeing, excitement, aggression, insecurity all look the same to us.  One day at a time, Luke needs to grow in the knowledge that you will handle it, whatever it may be.  To do otherwise is to establish in Luke's mind there are things he needs to take charge of. 

Wishing we were sitting over coffee with this conversation..    I love watching dogs grow.  You can almost see the mind develop.  I know the constant companion/owner can see how the dog continues to behave to the triggers of life.

Comment by Lois - Izzi on September 30, 2012 at 3:09pm

Another View:

although not teenagers my grandkids wanted to play with them at puppy level and they would go bonkers.   I found I had to supervise not just the kids but both dogs for a long as it took for them to 'settle'.   Since we are discussing a teenager may I suggest that he just take Luke outside and walk with him BEFORE all the happy greetings.   That will establish your nephew as higher in command Luke.  Only your nephew can change Luke's attitude concerning himself at this point of time.  It's true; no talk, no touch, no eye contact.  But that does not mean that he can't do just that after nephew establishes who is in control of play.  

I, on the other hand, had two kids under ten and the problem continued through Izzi and Charlie's 1st year.  Mostly because the kids would come in the house causing as much disruption as possible.   I finally settled my problem by putting both kids in dog training for four continual weeks..  They still entire this house as they did beforehand but their 'body language' has changed.   Kids are still on the floor with the dogs but they don't show themselves as weak awaiting attacks.

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