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Golden doodle Coat and the upside down V. Is it a myth or real and does she have it?

Hi, I'm so glad to find this group. We have 2 nine year old golden doodles that we absolutely ADORE! I have added pictures from young to 9. One from a breeder and one is a rescue from someone who gave him up because she didn't like his looks. Not doodle enough for her. Today he is PRECIOUS and has a beard, even though it is different that the typical.

It was my idea to get a puppy now because they are such a delight in our lives and have the energy to help train a new puppy.

When they were 4 days old I went to see a new litter out of a private home breeding of a 3yr old female Black poodle and a beautiful golden retriever male. I went again at 5 weeks. All of the puppies looked relatively the same, some with a bit wavier coats. She said I had to choose since I had 2nd pick. 

Little Lucy was so pretty and seemed to have some longer hairs on her face just like the others at 2 weeks. They all were precious.

Between the 5th and 7th week everything changed in their coats. Lucy's coat now seems really short while the others are very long and wavy.  This is Lucy at 6 weeks:

I have read about the upside down V but don't understand exactly how to find it. I don't have her home yet but I am shocked and need advice. I have seen some of the videos of smooth haired golden doodles with no beard, they don't even resemble golden doodles to me.

Today she is 7 weeks.

She has our hearts in full but I wanted to see if anyone could help me understand what to expect. Is she going to have that golden doodle beard? She has the sweetest eyes...

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Comment by Harrison, Brodie & Kris on October 28, 2016 at 7:55pm

When we first got Brodie (8weeks) he had little to no beard and his hair was shorter and pretty straight. now he is 2 1/2 and has smoother semi wavy hair and sheds. :(  He is also taller and slimmer than Harrison, but will say he looks and acts like a doodle.. He is AMAZING.. Harrison had long soft wavy hair when we got him (4 months) and he is now tight curly course hair and doesn't shed. He is AMAZING.. We never saw either parents so we didn't know what to expect.  As they have grown up their personalities and  energy have evolved into two amazing boys... Enjoy your pup...

Comment by CJ, Gracie, and Quinn on October 28, 2016 at 6:22pm

Thanks DonMarie :) When her dark chocolate lightened, that definition got lost. We were sad to see it go :(

Comment by DonMarie & Picco on October 28, 2016 at 5:41pm

Gracie was adorable!  Love the eyebrows!

Comment by CJ, Gracie, and Quinn on October 28, 2016 at 4:08pm

So I guess you won't be bringing her home for another couple of weeks?! The only way you can be more certain about having the longer coat would be with an F1b. This is when the one parent is a doodle and the other parent is a poodle. Having more poodle genes gives more of a guarantee for hair that grows rather than fur that sheds. It does look like your sweet baby has more of the retriever hair than the poodle fur, and the fact that her coat is noticeably different than her siblings is a pretty good indicator as well. Unfortunately I don't think the parents' coats are going to give you any help. You are going to see a poodle coat on the poodle and a retriever coat on the retriever, but that won't help you to know which genes are in your pup. If it helps you at all, I've attached a photo of our Gracie at 7 weeks. She is an F1b and while we keep her chin trimmed, she could definitely have a beard now :) Best of luck to you and your girl. I have no doubt you will love her dearly and I hope you post pictures of her here as she grows, so we can all see the beauty she will certainly become!

Comment by Barbara Alexander on October 28, 2016 at 3:20pm
Yes we have three Doodles now and absolutely love the breed. Unfortunately having fantastic parents does not guarantee the kind of coat the puppies will have when you mix poodles and golden retrievers. In this litter there were eight puppies six of which have long wavy hair already and to our short haired. They all looked almost exactly the same at five weeks of age.
Comment by DonMarie & Picco on October 28, 2016 at 8:01am

So you now have 3 Doodles?   Lucy is such a little cutie!  Looks like might be a smooth coat. Do you notice shedding?  The parents should be a good indication.

Comment by Lorie & Piper on October 28, 2016 at 12:32am
We got Piper at 13 weeks, and her coat changed many, she is wavey short, but looks different when it's long...gets kind of like dread locks. But she is curly around her neck, when long haired. If I left her beard longer, she would have one, but I always cut it, cuz I don't want the mess that comes with it (;
Comment by Tana, Token, and Remme on October 27, 2016 at 9:18pm
Being new to Doodles myself, the only reference to an upside down v that I've seen, was in regards to the cutting or trimming of the doodle "hood" - what resembles bangs. One of the online Australian Labradoodle grooming videos refers to clipping an upside down v. Like Gail said, looking at parents or even grandparents is a great starting point.
Comment by Gail, Fozzie, and Ruby on October 27, 2016 at 6:45pm
Beautiful puppy! Our new puppy Ruby is also a little different at 16 weeks. She is 1/2 sibling of our 9 month brother Fozzie. She has a much leaner body, and not as poofy, so far, as her brother. I believe she will still develop a wavy Doodle coat. What do the parents look like? That is your best indication.

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