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I have asked for so much help here, I am sure you all think I have never had a dog.  I will say I have NEVER had a dog like Luke.  He is the best at so many things but some of them are not too good.  His class was cancelled this morning so I was going to bother her with this but instead I am begging for help here!

Last Friday and Saturday, while I was working, it was the last weekend the boss was gone and I could make sure I would be able to keep my job and keep Luke there to help me.  On Friday, he would bark so much inside that I would take him to the car and let him sit in his crate and watch people.  On Saturday, he would bark inside so he could go to his crate in the car.  He quickly learned that if he barked enough outside, I would have to bring him back in.  Where, of course, after a few minutes he would be barking inside to go back out.  In other words, he barked both days, all day, and no manager is going to put up with that.  Nor, am I, after the headache I had by Saturday night.

We have a good consistent routine going the rest of the week, where I open my eyes and ten minutes later, he is running on the beach burning off excess energy.  About 4:00 he starts to bark again, so we go back and run some more and he is good the rest of the day.   Great schedule but not one that will work when I have to be at work at 7:30 in the morning and don't leave until 8:30 at night. 

I keep telling him that if he doesn't quit, I won't be able to buy him dog food, but he just looks at me with his big brown eyes and keeps doing what he is doing.  I have tried all the "intelligence toys" but he just barks at them, thinking that will get the treat out, without his putting forth any effort. 

Can anybody think of anything to make him stop????  I really do like my job, but I like Luke more!

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Comment by Jo Bill on October 11, 2012 at 9:45pm

Barbara, I'm glad we could help you.  Hopefully, you will be able to find some things for Luke to use his very active little brain!  LOL  You haven't done anything wrong ... he is a puppy and puppies push their humans just like children do to their parents.  If there is something I could have differently, it would be to be more alpha when he was small.  We just recently ( a couple months ago) took a mini obedience class at the facility where we board him and take him to daycare.  It taught me A LOT about being "the dog on the hill".  Once you have the respect of your dog, he will do anything for you.  Of course, our dogs have some poodle in them and they are a bit stubborn.  LOL  Doodles are wonderful companions.


Tonight Gizmo didn't get his second walk, but we did have our Nosework class - which he loves.  When we got home, he was sooooooo naughty!  He wanted to play ball .... that seemed like a good thing to do at the time.  He would bring the ball to Terry sometimes and to me sometimes.  When he brought the ball to Terry, he'd let Terry take it and throw it again with no problem.  HOWEVER, when he brought it to me, he'd drop it in my lap and when I went to pick it up he'd lunge at me and bite my arm, stomach, leg or whatever he could get.  At first I thought he was just trying to get the ball, but when he deliberatey bit me he got a time-out!  He was put in his "condo" for several minutes.  When I thought he had spent enough time away, I let him out and made him give me a hug.   He settled down a little after that.  BTW:  his "condo" is equivalent to a crate.  He gets the room where the washer & dryer are.  One doorway has a baby gate and the other doorway leads to a bathroom and has a sliding pocket door.  We call this his "condo".

He knows what time-out means and has had many, many, MANY time-outs in the year that we have had him.  :)  Keep us posted.

Comment by Barbara Holloway on October 11, 2012 at 9:08pm

Grace, I tried to put the Thunder Shirt on again and he hated it and I hated it and it is in a box to go back.  Luke is really afraid of nothing, which I love about him.  I think that might be a great idea for a dog that is afraid.


Jo, in the first paragraph, you made me feel better than you can imagine.  Most of this comes from all my family and friends (except Andrew and he hasn't been back!) who told me I could NEVER raise a dog like Luke.  Therefore, every time I walked across the room and he attacked and bit me and tore my clothes, all I could think of is what I might have done wrong.....  The more I hear and learn, I know some of it might be my fault, but he is a very young puppy, doing what he is supposed to be doing.  And he does it well!!!

When I am not working, we get up about 7 and are at the beach by 7:30, rain or shine.  He runs for about 45 minutes and would probably go longer sometimes.  About 5, we take a shorter walk up and down hills close to where I live.  I have tried the beach run at night, too, but it does not even slow the 6 - 8 "episodes" he's been having.

All your ideas were wonderful.  I will definitely get some Popsicles because I know Luke would love them and I would never have thought of that.  Luke loves to take a bath but will not let me brush him yet.  It's good to know that someday he will let me.

I just read the blog you put up about the Dennis The Menace puppy and it was wonderful!  It is almost word for word what I said to the breeder about the one I wanted, since I couldn't go up there to choose.  One of my favorites lines used to be "Who wants a dog that has never had a puppy thought of their own?  I don't want a push-over puppy..."  This has taught me to be careful what I ask for!! 

And, having said that, I would not trade Luke for any other puppy on earth.  Now that I know it's just a stage and stages do pass, things are good, mostly because I have the information you all have given me - knowing I have not taken a beautiful puppy and ruined him.

I am so grateful for all of you!

Comment by Grace and Pemon The Gentle Giant on October 11, 2012 at 7:17pm

I don't see why the popsicle wouldn't be any good, just no artificial sweetner.  that's a no-no.  Oh Jo, you just amaze me.  Is this the same personal who use to post blogs all the time in tears?  LOL

Barbara, Luke is going to go through stages, just be patient and give him lots of love.  Believe it or not Pemon did not really bark too much until he hit 1.  Now you can't shut him up.  He barks at stray cats, dog, people going by and when he wants something.  Barbara I don't know if the thunder shirt will stop his barking.  I've heard it calms them down when they are anxious or a storm is bother them.  Oh, that remind me, we have the new member.  What's his name?  Who's Doodle is afraid of everything.  Gotta find him because maybe a thunder shirt will help him.  Gotta go.  You Ladies carry on, you have a lot to share and remember Barbara, we've all been there and done that.  Enjoy Luke's puppyhood because it passes faster then you think.  Some of the members instead of popsicles will make Beef or Chicken Stock Popsicles.  They get those popsicle forms you use for the kids.  Byeeeeee

Comment by Jo Bill on October 11, 2012 at 3:44pm

Barbara, there IS hope for Luke.  If he just 3 months old you have a long road ahead of you.  He reminds me so much of Gizmo (except for the barking) at that age.  I had a terrible time!  I cried ... he tore my clothes, attacked me, and bit me every chance he got.  We were so close to thinking we made a HUGE mistake! 


Some of the things we did were:  get an interactive toy ... something he could play with by himself for awhile and that would engage his very active puppy mind.  We got a "saucer" from Pet Supplies Plus.  You put treats into it and he would have to roll is aound to get them out.  We used his dog food since his was puppy food and very small.  He rarely got treats when he was young.  He loved this toy.  We got others that he had to work to get the treats out, too.  One was a rubber-like round toy that held treats.  He could get them out too easily, to we put a smidge of peanut butter in each hole.  He'd work on that forever!  He always had to sit and wait before I'd let him have it.  I think that taught him patience and that I was the boss.


We tried not to play tug with him since this would get him overstimulated and then all **** would break loose!  Even playing ball with him sometimes would get him going too much.  Even now the ball game can get a little crazy.


Gizmo "requires" at least one walk, but usually two (weather permitting) per day.  It's just his energy level.  Since I can walk him off leash, it's very easy.  He listens so well - now,, but not as a puppy.  There were major issues in learning to walk on leash as a young-un, too.


We've learned that when Gizmo gets out of control jumping and biting at us it's because he wants our attention.  So, we make him "sit".  Once he does that (he watches us intently when we do that.  I think he knows he's dones something wrong), we will pet him and give him hugs and love.  Usually that calms him down.


The one special thing I've found that really calms him down is giving him is popsicle between 7pm & 8pm.  It's our special time and he loves them.  I know a lot of people say the regular popsicles aren't good for them, and they make their own.  Gizmo loves them and has been given them since he was young for his teething.  Now it's just his treat & our special time.  First, I lick it and take a bite while he sits and watches.  He usually is licking his chops and salivating when I do this.  Then I give him the rest - I have to hold the stick or he'd eat it though.  Again, I'm giving him special attention.


As he's grown older, I find that if I brush him while he lays on the floor in the evening, it calms him down.  Of course, I haven't always been able to brush him.  He's had to grow up somewhat and the trips to the groomer have helped immensly.


Don't worry, Luke will grow up.  Gizmo's not perfect, but is so much better than he was 6 months ago.  Hang in there.  We're here for you!  This group has been so helpful to me over the last year ... I hope we can give you a little peace of mind, too.  Doodle Hugs to you & Luke!

Comment by Barbara Holloway on October 11, 2012 at 1:40pm

Grace, that was the Thunder Shirt!  I tried it at a time neither one of us was in the mood and I may go back and try it again later.  Gizmo reminds me a whole lot of Luke, after last night.  My oldest child, when she was 2, would be an angel child all day and turn into the child from hell from 6 - 8.  Luke does the same thing.  Last night at 6:00 when he started to "Seek and Destroy" I decided to put the collar on and see what would happen.  I didn't even turn it on and he turned into an angel puppy.  First time he has ever been on the couch and he jumped up and put his head on my lap and we watched TV together.  Never did turn it on and he was better than he's ever been until it was time to go to bed.  This morning he started barking wildly because I went outside and didn't take him with me.  Put the same unturned-on collar on him and he quit.  Think I will just take it with me tomorrow and see if it keeps working, without being a bark collar.  It's sort of like Gizmo seeing the remote and settling down, which is hilarious!  I would love to keep him here and come home periodically, but the minute I mentioned getting the dog, they changed the length of my breaks so I can't do it.  In a way, I think I am hoping I will get fired because I don't have what it takes to quit.

Luke's finest moment was this morning!  He turned 3 months old today and he finally got tall enough to take his one and only (I hope) drink from the toilet.  I let him do it because he has been trying for so long to be able to.  Now the seat is down and he hasn't figured out how to lift it - YET...    

Comment by Jo Bill on October 11, 2012 at 12:29pm

I use a training collar on Gizmo.  There are 8 settings - we never go above 2 and that's usually when the batteries are low.  It also has a tone setting that does not give a zap.  Gizmo has responded very well  ....  he is not hurt by it.  It's no different (probably less strong) than his invisible fence.  I use it when we walk, in the house, at class ... he knows it's his "I better be good" collar.  He's not sad when he's wearing it.  Infact, sometimes when he's wearing the training collar, I forget to put his invisible fence collar on him when he goes outside.  He doesn't know the difference.  It's not mean ... it's not cruel.  He just gets a little reminder.  Usually, at this point, we don't even have to push the button. 


One time he was being obnoxious in the house and he didn' have either collar on.  Terry picked up the remote to his car and showed it to him.  He settled right down!  LOL  He wasn't scared, he just knew he was being naughty.  LOL


I love my dog and would never do anything (especially repeatedly) that would harm him.  Just so you know .. training collars CAN be your friend if used as a tool and not a punishment.  :)

Comment by Grace and Pemon The Gentle Giant on October 11, 2012 at 12:15pm

Barbara:  What did she sell you the Thunder Shirt?  Some of the Doodle owners said it works.  Did you try it?  I don't blame you with the collar, it reminds me of the dog trainer Caesar.  Those dogs look so sad when he is training them.  I hope it all works out?  Can't you just leave Luke home in his crate or is it too long of a time?  I should not be the one to even discuss that because we try not leave Pemon alone for any length of time.  He is so spoiled.  But if I were still working I guess we would have to, but then again, with Mark owning his own business he is able to pop in and out sometimes.  Oh, what we do for our Doodles.

Comment by Barbara Holloway on October 10, 2012 at 9:20pm

I did.  Went  up to Petco and ran into the person who teaches the class that didn't happen yesterday.  She was really upset that I would even think of using the collar so talked me into some kind of shirt thing that keeps them warm and fuzzy and secure and they never become afraid and bark.  Bought that too.  Couldn't even figure out how to get that on!  Did try the collar and Luke hated it so much that I couldn't do it.  He did not ever bark when he had it on, but he was so miserable that it is being put in a pile, in case I ever get a puppy I don't like someday.  I am really concerned about what will happen and that isn't helping the situation either.  I have to go back to the place where I am thinking about all the wonderful things I can do if I get fired! 

By the way, I totally forgot to answer your question about where I got that cartoon.  Sorry...  I get all those kinds of things and lots of good things from Pinterest.  Lots of fun. 

Thanks for asking.

Comment by Grace and Pemon The Gentle Giant on October 10, 2012 at 6:40pm

O.K. Barbara, did you get the collar?  How did it work?

Comment by Pedro & Alessandra on October 10, 2012 at 12:59am

Barbara, I think you had got great suggestions and I know that Pedro has me very well trained to react to his barking so I'm in no position to offer better advice. I just wanted to say what others have also said to you, come here and vent with us, we're here for you and if we can help, we'll be happy to and as in this case for me, I think I learned something new that I can apply. So THANK YOU for bringing this up.

And don't forget that we also get to share all the happy, cute and adorable moments, so it's a full rounded friendship, in good and bad times, in bark and in cuddle times! ;)

Best of lucks with the collar and loving paws!


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