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Spencer is about 2 years younger than Elliott. So when we first got Spencer, Elliott was still somewhat into puppy challenges. We called them Jaws and Baby Jaws.

Since we picked them both up on Saturday at their "Auntie Dawn's", the kennel where they always go and seem very happy, Baby Jaws has returned. Spencer has been an absolute demon. We don't have to be out of the house, or even out of the room. He is just grabbing random stuff and taking it away to chew. The list goes on and on. I just don't know what to do with him. He doesn't even drop it any more when he gets caught and I tell him "leave it". He just runs. He doesn't even bother with "the look" - more like "whatever." 't has been a long time since he has been this challenging.

Suggestions anyone?

On the upside, if the dog eats your Visa bill, do you still have to pay it?

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Comment by Kathy, Elliott & Spencer on August 26, 2014 at 8:19pm

Thanks all for the advice. I'm pretty sure I know exactly what happened.

I know Spencer loves going to Auntie Dawn's - they both do. They just rush to greet her and hop right into their quarters there. She plays so much with them every day they are there, and as she walks by the dogs there, they calm at her movements and her voice. She just has a way about her. Of course, they go totally wild when we get home as well. So I am quite sure it isn't the kennel. Also, I don't think of his behaviour of "snitch, run, and chew" as retalliation. It's more attention-seeking or bored. Retalliation would be more like peeing or pooping in the house, or sulky withdrawal.

I feel so dumb. It's been right in front of my face all along. When we were coming home in the car, he was like velcro dog. He had his head stuck to my arm the whole way home, and was quick to push Elliott aside to get the most attention. Our trip away wasn't the greatest - almost an entire week of camping in the rain with 5 grandkids. Nothing came home dry. As hubby and I were the only ones with much gear, most of the cleanup was also ours. We came home and did 18 loads of laundry, cleaned the camper, tried to restock our home with food etc. 

I am sure this was not at all what Spencer had in mind. His first night home, he started asking to go upstairs to bed around 7 p.m. He just wanted to be with us. He just really didn't know how to handle it all, so he was acting like a brat! He is calming down with all your great advice. The poop in the yard has been colourful and amusing! Still haven't seen the Visa bill.

With all this comes the realization that our doodles, with such a capacity for love and such devotion to us, need so much love in return. And a doodle will find the most creative ways to ask for it!! He really didn't forget his manners, he was reminding me of my own.

Comment by Pedro & Alessandra on August 26, 2014 at 4:59pm

From a completely serious perspective (as serious as one can be around Doodles), I think Jan has given the best advice. I don't think that Elliott and Spencer don't like their kennel, sounds like Auntie Dawn gives them plenty of attention and tires them out, however, there might be a little of that desire to make sure that Mommy, the important human in their lives is really back to giving them (especially Baby Jaws) her full attention so it seems to me that giving them that in the manner that Jan suggested might be the way to go.

On the other paw... Pedro thinks that Baby Jaws is friends with Whale Puppies so he wants in on the action and has decided to launch a stronger attack on the cushions in the family room... which means getting home to a war zone sometimes... Even 7 year-old Doodles have their puppy moments, you see? (I know, I'm not giving anyone hope, am I?).

Patience and consistency, Kathy. As Laurie says, you have shared your wisdom and given your support to many of us in the past, you have our support and loving paws always!!

Comment by JoAnn Gallagher & Paddy Waggin' on August 26, 2014 at 9:51am
I think Grace has a point, also. That had occurred to me, also.
Comment by Laurie, Jackson and Delilah on August 26, 2014 at 9:16am

Oh no, a help post from someone that has given me sage wisdom in the past.  Unfortunately we are where you were a while back.  Adding Delilah to our family and she and Jackson are 2 years and 2 months apart. In the past when Jackson has come back from being boarded he is a little coo-coo!  I don't think they are on him like I am so he is feeling like "big man on campus!!"  I'm sure that Baby Jaws just needs to have a couple reminders of all those good behaviors you have reinforced, reinforced, reinforced!!!!  I'm thinking with the "Doodle personality," they are always keeping us on our toes.  Remind him that you are head honcho and I bet he will settle right down.  Just like kids, when you want to throttle them is when they need the hugs the most!  I just think they periodically need to be reminded.  They are so smart you have to be 5 steps ahead of them.  We all know that is not an easy task!!!  Quite tiring at times also.  Good luck and I know that you have given me such wonderful advice in the past, dig those feet in, dig deep in your brain and have a glass of wine....I'm sure things will be back to normal soon.  Oh and the visa bill unfortunately still needs to be paid...I don't think credit card company's are as nice as some teachers!!

Comment by Grace and Pemon The Gentle Giant on August 26, 2014 at 9:12am

Truthfully my thought is he doesn't really like the kennel and he is retaliating.  Wants your attention.

What do you think Ladies?

Comment by JoAnn Gallagher & Paddy Waggin' on August 26, 2014 at 5:50am
Sounds like very good advice from Beverly and Eli and Jan, Lily and Nessy. Isn't it amazing how they sometimes revert to old behaviors...act like they've never learned a thing from us. This helps to remind me of the need for constant reinforcement with what we've taught them. And still they'll challenge us at times, I think!! Good luck from Paddy Waggin' and me, too.
Sorry, but I think you still have to pay the Visa bill...even if Baby Jaws ate the items you bought with it!!
Comment by Beverly and Eli on August 25, 2014 at 6:55pm

Sounds like that to me as well. Maybe a little extra attention too. Eli just returned to the zoomies in the house which we pretty much haven't seen for a while. 

Comment by Jan, Lily & Nessy on August 25, 2014 at 6:11pm

Sounds like leashes and training treats are warranted.  Even in the house (especially?).

Put the leash on Spencer, keep him by your side.  Periodically, make him do puppy pushups ("Sit", "Down", "Sit", "Down", "Sit", treat).  Then practice "leave it" and "watch me".  He just needs to be reminded of his manners.

Hope this helps ;)

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