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It's been two weeks now and already Max has made his place in our home and our hearts. He is such a good puppy. Almost completely house trained already, and so smart. He learned to sit, shake hands, and roll over already!

My only concern is his older doggy brother Taz! Our Taz is a 14 year old Llasa Apso, who is healthy and has the patience of a saint. But, he is not a fan of rough puppy play and seems quite sad now. Max is already bigger than him, so he sits on the couch and won't even get down to eat unless we carry him. He also has started having accidents in the house, right in front of me!!!

I really hope he gets used to all of this... Taz was 7 when my daughter was born and 9 when my son was born. He is so sweet, he has never once lost his patience with either of them, even during the toddler years. Both of my children are very kind to animals as a result of having him and learning early on.

Our little Max is already bigger than Taz, and quite capable of accidentally hurting him when playing too rough... Suggtions on teaching Max to be gentle with Taz? Any hope it can even happen or should we just keep them in separate parts of the house ?

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Comment by Jennifer Lynn on May 12, 2012 at 10:59pm
Thank you Lois, very good advice. And it's very true, my good friend came to visit tonight with her Corgi puppy, and Max and the puppy had a lot of fun playing. Not a complaint out of either one. There will need to be more puppy play dates in the future :-)

I will start making it a point to back Taz rather than separating every time there is a scuffle. And, it's a very good point to pay attention to the order in which things are done - Taz first. Thanks again Lois.
Comment by Lois - Izzi on May 12, 2012 at 10:55pm

one more though... correct Max  instead of picking up TAZ   the room has always belonged to TAZ

Just leash Max...   allowing Taz to do whatever he wants...  when Max learns Tax is allowed anywhere you can release Max and leash him again as need be..   Do make sure Max has had his personal run...

Comment by Lois - Izzi on May 12, 2012 at 10:41pm

I've lost my comments twice... only giving this one more try.... if found else where know I could not find and comments meant for Jen...

I want to second Bruce's comments....

Daughter once owned a Schnauzer would raised ever puppy... teaching them to understand the pecking order until she was 14 yrs.... at which time she told all in no uncertain terms the she was finished as a teacher/mom/groomer.  (she taught all how to handle humans and it was up to then now)   and for the next 3 years of her life each and ever dog would follow her in pecking order to mark over her sent..

I do not believe you need to separate the dogs.. which can lead to positiveness...   At this point you need to back up TAZ.. who will regain he's status, teaching the puppy invaluable life lessons.

Food, treats, going out, attention goes to TAZ first...  seconds later Max.   Trust me both of them will understand you point.   Max needs have puppy play with another puppy or certainly within age range..teaching him to walk on leash  etc...   

 

Comment by Jennifer Lynn on May 12, 2012 at 10:32pm
Thank you Marsha. Yes we are always watching the two of them. And when Taz gets brave and jumps off the couch we sure know it, cause then the chase begins Gil I sweep in and pick him up. Right now the couch is "safe" but the puppy could certainly jump up there easily - I don't think he's figured that out yet which is kind of funny.

Lois - that is a good point not to separate them. Instead I will have more supervised time outside to help them get used to each other. Separating them could certainly prolong the problem I suppose. Thanks !
Comment by Lois - Izzi on May 12, 2012 at 10:20pm

second Bruce thoughts... He has given excellent advice...   My daughter had a schnauzer who raised all the puppies with corrections on how to handle humans and kiss/grooming until she reached the age of 14..   After which she would tell each and ever one of them to go away NOW... period.  and each and every one of 5 others would follow her sent and mark in a pecking order...   That was really funny... SHe was queen mom.   I don't believe you need to separate... allow and back up TAZ.   She will regain her status and Max will be a better dog in the future...   (Separation does not establish picking order... and the issue will continue until both understand you are 'chief'.)

Comment by Marsha Cochran on May 12, 2012 at 9:50pm
We have a 17 yr old minature poodle, vision impaired and deaf. There are times Hank thinks she should play. We have been very vigilant when the two are together, as he could unintentionally hurt her. She is pretty feisty and will bark him away at times. We use the "leave it" command when we want him to leave her alone. Maybe as your puppy gets a little older and your Taz gets used to the new puppy, they will work it out, with your help. As Grace mentioned PATIENCE and LOVE are the keys.
Comment by Jennifer Lynn on May 12, 2012 at 9:29pm
Bruce - thanks I didn't think about negative associations when saying " no" - will try using treats instead.

Thanks to everyone else as well for your input and understanding. We will get there, I'm sure.
Comment by Trisholiverandfam on May 12, 2012 at 6:14pm
You are not alone! Our Ollie is about four months now and his sister is an 11 year old schnauzer he is always trying to play and pounce on her. He is about 20 lbs heavier than her already, we are doing the same things saying "no" and distracting him to other things.....good luck! I personally know how hard it is on the heart! The pup just wants to play and doesn't realize he is going to hurt the other dog.....
Comment by Grace and Pemon The Gentle Giant on May 12, 2012 at 5:42pm

Sounds like you're doing a good job.  Patience will prevail.  And love!  Good Luck.

Comment by Bruce Anderson and Ginger on May 12, 2012 at 5:29pm

I've mentioned before...Ginger absolutely LOVES smaller dogs.  She just puts up with same size dogs, mostly (except for her English Sheepdog friends...)  so I'm not surprised that Max would want to play with Taz.  Poor Taz...having to give up his Alpha status.  That's probably why he has "accidents"...altho, he may be afraid to go outside because he has to get down to go out, and is afraid he'll get "attacked".

My only suggestion, Jen, would be to try and avoid "NO" when you want Max to avoid Taz...thats negative and will make Max think Taz is a bad thing.  It might hurt relationships later on.  I would suggest keeping treats handy all around the house.  When you want Max to stop harrassing Taz, use a treat to divert his attention rather than a repremand.  AND...when you do that, give one to Taz, too, so he doesn't feel left out..

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